: Interview With James Gosling"> eWEEK: What do you think Java needs to become truly pervasive in the enterprise? Or do you think its already there? Gosling: Its kind of hard to imagine it getting any more pervasive than it already is. Its just used all over the place. At this point, about the biggest thing that could happen is for people to be re-writing all their dusty deck COBOL code. And a lot of that is actually happening.eWEEK: Ive heard of Microsofts developer tool rating going up at the expense of Java and Java-based tools. Do you see that as the case? GOSLING: Its difficult to answer that without knowing exactly what is being measured. One of the things thats difficult to measure about the developer tools world is that in the Microsoft [Corp.] developer tools world, there is essentially one tool. In the Java world there are dozens of them. And I dont know how you compare all of the different tools from all of the different vendors to the Microsoft tool. One of the really telling points for me between the two is that even when people are in the Java world, they get to go shopping for development tools. And for lots of different issues, there are lots of different tools that fit them. Theres no one size fits all. In the Microsoft world its one-stop shopping, for all the sort of good and bad that that means. eWEEK: The one thing thats been curious to me is that Sun is the inventor of Java and yet your tools have never really led the way. The same situation exists in the application server market. Gosling: Were trying to do better there, but for us its been a combination of two things, one being Microsoft is the most profitable company and they can outspend us on anything by 10 to one. But the more important thing for us is that weve actually concentrated a lot more on the platform technology and on supporting third parties and on creating an outside industry. Yes, we would like to be making some revenue from software, but by and large weve ended up putting more of our emphasis on building the infrastructure underneath it all so that it is really industrial strength and robust and can support a large community of users and providers.
In some sense weve been terrifically successful in the enterprise. And theres all the sort of usual competitive stuff to be there and duke it out with Microsoft, but for the growth areas and the places that are going from where we are today and where we have been as strong or where the market is going is sort of elsewhere and lately the prime new thing has been whats going on in cell phones. But thats sort of a strange one because its sort of everywhere except North America.