Kraken Botnet Infiltration Triggers Ethics Debate - The Good Samaritan's Dilemma (
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The ability to infiltrate and seize control of Kraken's C&C mechanism
left the company with an ethical dilemma that has prompted a discussion of
whether infected computers used in denial-of-service attacks and spam runs
should be cleansed without the owners' consent.
"On the technical side, we have proven that it can be done. From our
proof-of-concept, it would have been one more click of a button to shut down
the communication between the people sending commands to these [infected]
computers," Pierce said.
Essentially, the infected system would be connecting to TippingPoint's fake
Kraken server and receive a command to kill the target process handing the
communication.
"We never hear from the infected system again and neither can the
actual botnet owner's command-and-control servers," Amini said, arguing
that cleansing should be used to help slow the botnet epidemic. "We have
the ability to successfully redirect infected systems. We have the ability to
provide an 'update' through the existing Kraken protocol that can simply remove
the Kraken zombie."
Pierce agreed. "If you have a wild person driving on the street,
putting everyone else at risk, you don't just turn the other way," he
said, calling for industrywide discussion about a more proactive,
vigilante-type approach to fighting botnets.
David Endler, director of security research at TippingPoint, is on the other
side of the fence. "The reality is that you really don't know what you're
modifying," Endler said in an interview. "It's a very tricky
situation. What if that end-user system is performing a critical function? What
if that target system is responsible for someone's life support? Who is to say
what is more beneficial? It really is a moral and a legal quandary."
He cited liability issues as one of the key reasons TippingPoint opted to
leave the compromised computers untouched within the Kraken botnet.
"There could be life-threatening repercussions [so] you have to walk
away and err on the side of caution," Endler said. "If you see
someone breaking a window to go into someone's house, that really doesn't give
you the right to break another window and go in after them."
Pierce said he sees it another way: "If you see someone mugging someone
across the street, you just don't watch and walk away."
Andrew Hay, product manager at Q1 Labs, a network security management
company, said the concept of tampering with a user's machine without consent,
even if it's to remove malicious software, is "ethically
questionable."
"I couldn't in good conscience send any command
to a machine without the user's knowledge and approval," Hay said.
"Ethically speaking, we just can't make that decision regardless of if
it's right or whether it's the best thing to do for the good of the
Internet."
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