eWEEK: So do you think anybody is going to do a standalone browser? BOSWORTH: You mean a browser that does what I just said?BOSWORTH: I dont think that youre going to see people trying to end run IE. That would be silly. But you can think of IE as a component within something. IE is very well designed to be a component. Look at AOL. AOL uses it as a component today. Some of the Outlook stuff uses it. InfoPath was actually built on top of IE as a component. So I think what you may see is people building stuff that uses IE as a component. So the rendering is still rendering. You use the browser as you do today, but the communication on the back end is richer. Thats what I think is likely to happen, but its hard to say. Youd have to ask whose going to do this. And the only way I see it happening is in the open source community. eWEEK: How can BEA, which seems to be mostly known as an application server vendor, lead this kind of revolution? BOSWORTH: Well, youre asking two questions in one. Im only equipped to answer one. One is a marketing question and the right people to ask that question of are Byron Sebastian and Tod Nielsen. Tod, as you probably know, has extensive marketing experience. And Byron is in my opinion one of the finest people in software today, and is thinking very hard about this problem. Thats not my expertise, which is why I shouldnt be allowed to be the CEO of a company. Ive been one but only because I had to. The other question youre asking is technically how could we do it, which is a different question. Technically, I do think my approach is a little bit unique. I brought about 100 people into BEA who had done this. eWEEK: From CrossGain? BOSWORTH: Well, from all over. I bought a company called Westside after BEA bought me [CrossGain]. And Westside had many of the people that helped me build VB and Access. And many of the people that came in with CrossGain had worked for Borland at some point and had worked with me for years. I was asked at one point how can we build an IDE for the rest of us in 18 months when no one can build an IDE in 18 months. I said look the people who are doing this, this is their fifth generation. They built Quick C then they built Visual C. Then they built another and then they did it again. Then they went to CrossGain and built work and theyve been doing this over and over and learning as they go. So I think whats unique about us is we have two separate pieces of DNA in the organization. We have the enterprise DNA that came out of the Tuxedo roots and the WebLogic roots that are massively scalable dont-fall-down roots, which honestly are not Microsofts roots. And then at the same time we now have the DNA of how do you make it mass market and how do you make it easy. And honestly Im pretty proud of what we did in the first place. I started building 8.1 in December of 2001. And 18 months later we shipped a product that really pretty profoundly started to change what you had to know to build a truly scalable, truly asynchronous platform that took advantage of the things you can do in J2EE. Are we done? No. Were not close to done. But from a technical point of view I would argue that what makes us unique is that we bring these two pieces of DNA together. And the understanding of the corporate and the applications developer that weve got, it isnt just me. Thats the point. There are a hundred people like me that we got over all those years of handling and supporting these people. At the same time we bring together this enterprise expertise. And to me that knowledge And the other thing is we stay focused. BEA is not trying to be a rich client company, BEA is not trying to be a games company, BEA is an enterprise on the server company. The discussion that I had with Alfred when I joined, because we were looking at some acquisitions, was I said lets focus on what we really do well. Lets not do any acquisitions tat would take us off target. So from my point of view thats what we did. We focused very well. And we bring these two very different cultures together very synergistically. So technically I actually think were putting our money where our mouth is. Were inventing at an amazing rate of speed on top of the Java community in a very synergistic way. Both through the JCP [Java Community Process] process or through the open source community as well with things like XML Beans. And were working surprisingly well with IBM on some of this stuff, too, like the SDO [Service Data Objects specification] announcement. eWEEK: How does that play into your mobility strategy?
eWEEK: Well, yeah, but one not tied to a specific platform.