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Future"> Have things changed? Do you now have an execution engine?He answered that it is not something he is really interested. The important thing is that [IDS Scheer] has a repository that has integration to over a dozen existing execution engines. That means that, for Bank of America, with 160,000 people and about 100 different companies. They all have different execution systems, but they are able to drive the business view of that from the same repository and can drive it into whatever execution environment is best suited to a specific vision, or a specific country. That is really the validation of building an execution engine. You have design your company standards and then you can load them in whatever execution engine is appropriate. Scheer: We can do it or we can leave it. It may be that we are forced to buy and execution engine to be listed in the Gartner quadrant of execution, or something like that. But from our philosophy, it is not necessary. It is better to say that we can design a process and develop all the interfaces to this execution layer, via BPEL. Then at the end of the day, what you do with the machine is not our concern. You will not lose the collaboration to the others. Kirchmer: This is exactly the case with cross-platform integration. We make the business content and knowledge essence of a company independent of the exaction platform. What do you think of Oracles rumored plans to acquire JBoss? Kirchmer: It will just accelerate the development of their Fusion infrastructure. They have the [goal of being like] a NetWeaver, or WebSphere or whatever, but maybe it is still a bit beyond the market. So they have to accelerate this. Scheer: Oracle has a provenance on this side, because they bought the different application systems, different components, so the only way they can solve the problem is that they have one common definition of the processes however they will support using some transaction from PeopleSoft, from others. This will be the key. Then they need a very powerful integration engine that they can assemble this zoo of different applications into one solution. And therefore, I think Fusion is a bit behind. They are very late on some parts. But always, when they buy a new company, they increase their problems of integration whatever they do. I think its not to successful what they are doing? What component will you interface with in the Oracle stack? Scheer: We cannot talk too much about this, because the talks are ongoing. Maybe in six months or so. Who do you think should govern services? Scheer: At the end of the day, you will have logistics processes, used, for example, with developing a product. These you will find in any organization how you can enter your customer order, how you can develop new ideas, new innovative products. To support this, you need other innovative processes, controlling logistics, finance, and so forth. Then there are governance processes. Our strategy is we will support this governance of processes. We will not develop application processes for logistics, but we will do a lot [with governance] that makes use of our ARIS repository, and you can integrate all these different applications via our ARIS database. So we do the same thing that the ERP vendor did, that you integrate different functions via the database for the operation. Check out eWEEK.coms for the latest news, reviews and analysis about productivity and business solutions.
Kirchmer: We dont have at the moment an execution engine. We have discussed this. I asked yesterday the senior vice president of Bank of America, a huge client of ours, What do you think? Does it make sense for us to develop our own engine?